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Stakes rise again. :(

posted Thursday, 7 July 2005
And now we see if invading Iraq was worth all the blood, sweat, and tears.

I'm sort of "for" the Iraq war, with a number of reservations.

For one thing, I hate war. I recognize that it's not always avoidable, and I think that once you've committed to it, you can't "un-commit" to it - so once you've engaged, there's no way out except to persist until you've ended it - or someone else ends it for you. War, however, is barbaric. It's a waste of humanity. It's a failure, no matter how successful the war itself is.

I "support" the Iraq invasion because Saddam Hussein was a stain on humanity. He's a fine example of the kind of human who should have been slain at birth. His country may have been somewhat orderly under his reign, but a position cemented by fear and torture isn't something that should be tolerated - freedom may be messy, but it's freedom. I'm not one of those who prefers a calm slavehood to a messy freedom. (Can you tell I'm American?)

I don't care about weapons of mass destruction, although their use as justification for a war that could have been justified in other ways does concern me.

It "concerns me" much as I'm "concerned" when my brother destroys his ankle. Pragmatically speaking, WMD is a great way to rally the masses to support you. Realistically... come on, guys, the existence of a vial of Sarin and a few illegal missiles isn't quite enough to topple a country. Ask France about it. Germany armed under their watchful eyes.

Now, however, with London being attacked... the long-range views of Iraq come into play. To me, Iraq is the first attempt, one prong among many, to change the cultural dynamic of the Middle East into something more peaceful, more stable. The prevailing wisdom said that Iraq was the central battleground, a magnet to draw all combatants into a paroxysm of fury - in Iraq, leaving the rest of the world alone.

What's more, Iraq would be able to defend itself - with help - and there'd be a working republic in the Middle East, besides Israel. That would be a great thing, in my opinion, although its birthing pains are, uh, not quite what I'd desire.

So perhaps London represents another failure of the "Iraq as primary battleground" concept (besides, say, Madrid). I say "perhaps" because, well, being blunt and slightly cruel here, London's attack was fairly minour compared to four jets being flown into occupied buildings.

Yet it's undeniable that London shows that al Qaeda still has some pressure points to apply, even if they're not directly responsible (I'm unsure whether al Qaeda is actually claiming responsibility or not.) I think it's safe to say that al Qaeda's the head of the snake here, and it ain't dead yet.

So the Herculean task goes on, if you'll pardon the reference.

All I can say right now is that my heart goes out to London. :(




1. ml left...
Friday, 8 July 2005 4:05 pm

"The prevailing wisdom said that Iraq was the central battleground, a magnet to draw all combatants into a paroxysm of fury - in Iraq, leaving the rest of the world alone."

Wonder what the Iraqis think about your proposal.

"London's attack was fairly minour compared to four jets being flown into occupied buildings."

... and minor compared to the hundred of thousands Iraqi civilians who have died since 'the end of the American and English war'

I truly wonder how your logic works

ml


2. Joseph Ottinger left...
Sunday, 10 July 2005 6:51 am

My proposal? ml, I'm not sure what proposal I'm making here. You seem to be under the impression Iraq has NOT happened, and that I'm suggesting the US invade. I hate to tell you this, but that's a few years in the past now. That's why I used past tense.

What's more, I'm not quite sure which American and English war you're referring to. The one in 1776? 1812? 1914? 1939?

Lastly, I'm not downplaying the death of any humans - and you're right, Iraqi citizenry has been mauled. And quite bluntly, estimates are that a lot of it has been from Coalition forces, which is amazingly tragic. But... what's your point? That 9/11 and London should be shrugged at as minor blips on a radar, simply because of scale?

With THAT logic, well, Iraq can be shrugged at as well... hey, it's only 100000 and counting. Compare that to six million or so, and it just doesn't matter, right?

I'm not satisfied with that. Nor do I think you should be. You may wonder how my logic works - well, given your sentiment (apparent sentiment?), I'm wondering why you're questioning my logic - since this post isn't meant to be a justification of a sentiment you don't agree with, but a wavering of a position you don't agree with.


3. ml left...
Wednesday, 13 July 2005 10:31 am

"You seem to be under the impression Iraq has NOT happened, and that I'm suggesting the US invade."

Ok, now what do you mean with "Iraq has happened"?

"1776? 1812? 1914? 1939?"

Excellent question. I meant this last one, the American one with the Brits and some other 'allies' who haven't learned to say no to the US.

" But... what's your point? That 9/11 and London should be shrugged at as minor blips on a radar, simply because of scale?"

It is not 'minor blips' simply because it is geographically significant. I mean it is the North and it is the West. Come on, let's face it.

My sentiment and logic tell me that the third world is sinking deeper as the 'significant' world is gaining in 'progress'. The path taken by the US and the Brits to lead 'civilisation' is one of hypocrisy unacceptable to the observator.

Now if I am right you are pointing to the shoah. Still, if I am right, you should therefore know better. Hence my wondering of how your logic works.

ml